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The NATO Citizen
2004-09-27 19:21:38 UTC
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It's a fine day here in the North Atlantic security community!
By ESLaPorte
Sun, Sep 26 2004
http://www.pronato.com/commentary/index.htm
It was for good and gracious reasons that our Alliance is expanding its
mission in Afghanistan and helping train Iraqi soldiers. Extending the ideal
of security community to other nations is a chore that is best given to our
North Atlantic nations and NATO Alliance.

The elections in Afghanistan this October will probably not be without
incident, but once those oppressed Afghanis, I have a feeling, get a whiff
of free elections, as in Eastern Europe; there will be no turning back. Free
elections will have Afghans addicted to freedom, as it has in Eastern
Europe. It is now unthinkable to Eastern Europeans to be without free
elections.

Our NATO Alliance is humming along despite the doomsayers. Or course, this
Author said it will be alright for our Alliance during the bad times before
the Iraq War. As it has been in past months, years and decades, the North
Atlantic security community pulls our NATO Alliance back from the perceived
near death experience. As stated, there never was any "near death
experience." Yes Ambassador Burns was wrong - and should really know better.
America's ambassador to NATO actually plays into the hands of the doomsayers
in the global media. The notion of a "near death experience for NATO" has
been replayed over and over again in the global media for the past five-plus
decades.

The North Atlantic security community, which includes NATO, is and always
will be strong and will survive. As security community scholars Emanuel
Adler and Michael Barnett (1998)* define "security community," the
defination has nothing to do with arms and armies. A security community is
defined as chiefly a group of people, nations that have become so integrated
to the point that disputes will be settled in a peaceful way. The concept of
security community also includes the common understanding of common values
between members of the community. This also includes the expectation of
peaceful change and that disputes are a part of "transactions," or
interactions, among the members.

The truth is that we all in the North Atlantic security community know that
dispute among its members are to be expected. Adler and Barnett also state
that in security communities disputes, disagreements and conflicts are part
of the dynamics and these should be expected. The difference is that these
disputes are not only expected, but that the prospect of war is never one of
the ways to settle the dispute and the community will continue on after the
dispute has ended.

It has been this Author's observation over the past year and a half that
this is the case with the North Atlantic security community, which has the
majority of its transactions through the NATO HQ in Brussels, that the
Alliance is stronger and more vibrant. In fact, it has been noted by this
Author that our alliance grows stronger with every "crisis."

No matter how many disputes, disagreements and conflicts go one between
especially France and the United States, past and present history has
demonstrated that the North Atlantic security community will continue (or
even grow stronger) and that NATO will survive, it always has. The
doomsayers in the global media really must stop making fools of themselves!

What is for certain is that our Alliance will be moving toward a future that
is more political and less raw military alliance. Currently our Alliance is
charged with missions that are out-of -area and training Iraqi police and
military. What else our NATO Alliance will be charged with in the future is
unknown, but it will probably be in counterterrorism/anti-terrorism and
democratization. Also, expect disputes, disagreements and conflicts to occur
in the North Atlantic security community and in NATO. Along with the
"crisis" look for our Alliance and North Atlantic security community to
rise up and become stronger!

*The book cited: Emanuel Adler and Michael Barnett (1998), Security
Communities. Cambridge University Studies: New York, NY.
Uno Hu
2004-09-28 10:23:22 UTC
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I truely enjoy a piece of fine anti-civilization psycho-optic russian
propaganda, and it would seem that you have out done yourself this
time, Lapantie.

Let's parse your public psychosis, shall we? Just for kicks..
I'll highlight your sociopathic key phrased triggers for you *** :

"The NATO Citizen" <***@pronatal.com> wrote:

***Alliance is expanding its mission in Afghanistan***
***Extending...security community to other nations is a chore***
***The elections in Afghanistan.. will probably not be without
incident***
***Afghanis... get a whiff of free elections***
***there will be no turning back***
***Afghans addicted***
***Eastern Europeans to be without free elections***
***NATO Alliance.. despite the doomsayers***
***Alliance during the bad times***
***pulls our NATO Alliance back from the perceived near death
experience***
***was any "near death experience."***
***Yes Ambassador Burns was wrong***
***America's ambassador to NATO actually plays into the hands of
doomsayers***
***The notion of a "near death experience for NATO"***
***has been replayed over and over again***
***"security community,".. has nothing to do with arms and armies***
***a group of people, nations that have become so integrated***
***disputes are a part of "transactions,"***
*** North Atlantic security community know that disputes..are to be
expected***
*** disputes, disagreements and conflicts.. should be expected***
***The difference is that these disputes are not only expected***
***but that the prospect of war***
***will continue on after the dispute has ended***
***alliance grows stronger with every "crisis."***
*** No matter how many disputes, disagreements and conflicts go***
***The doomsayers in the global media***
***less raw military alliance***
***charged with missions that are out-of -area***
*** the future is unknown***
***expect disputes, disagreements and conflicts to occur..in NATO***
***Along with the "crisis"***
...

Lapantie! Your stuff is pure amateur hour crap!
It doesn't work. It sucks. Real bad.

What kind of crap are they teaching in barbarian commie psych classes
these days anyways?

'Less military'? No way.
If you barbarians step over the line it's crispy-critter time for you;
'Sulf-R-rated' gribble grubs.

Chow,
Uno Hu
Pepicek
2004-09-29 02:22:10 UTC
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Post by The NATO Citizen
It's a fine day here in the North Atlantic security community!
By ESLaPorte
Sun, Sep 26 2004
http://www.pronato.com/commentary/index.htm
It was for good and gracious reasons that our Alliance is expanding its
mission in Afghanistan and helping train Iraqi soldiers. Extending the ideal
of security community to other nations is a chore that is best given to our
North Atlantic nations and NATO Alliance.
The elections in Afghanistan this October will probably not be without
incident, but once those oppressed Afghanis, I have a feeling, get a whiff
of free elections, as in Eastern Europe; there will be no turning back. Free
elections will have Afghans addicted to freedom, as it has in Eastern
Europe. It is now unthinkable to Eastern Europeans to be without free
elections.
Our NATO Alliance is humming along despite the doomsayers. Or course, this
Author said it will be alright for our Alliance during the bad times before
the Iraq War. As it has been in past months, years and decades, the North
Atlantic security community pulls our NATO Alliance back from the perceived
near death experience. As stated, there never was any "near death
experience." Yes Ambassador Burns was wrong - and should really know better.
America's ambassador to NATO actually plays into the hands of the doomsayers
in the global media. The notion of a "near death experience for NATO" has
been replayed over and over again in the global media for the past five-plus
decades.
The North Atlantic security community, which includes NATO, is and always
will be strong and will survive. As security community scholars Emanuel
Adler and Michael Barnett (1998)* define "security community," the
defination has nothing to do with arms and armies. A security community is
defined as chiefly a group of people, nations that have become so integrated
to the point that disputes will be settled in a peaceful way. The concept of
security community also includes the common understanding of common values
between members of the community. This also includes the expectation of
peaceful change and that disputes are a part of "transactions," or
interactions, among the members.
The truth is that we all in the North Atlantic security community know that
dispute among its members are to be expected. Adler and Barnett also state
that in security communities disputes, disagreements and conflicts are part
of the dynamics and these should be expected. The difference is that these
disputes are not only expected, but that the prospect of war is never one of
the ways to settle the dispute and the community will continue on after the
dispute has ended.
It has been this Author's observation over the past year and a half that
this is the case with the North Atlantic security community, which has the
majority of its transactions through the NATO HQ in Brussels, that the
Alliance is stronger and more vibrant. In fact, it has been noted by this
Author that our alliance grows stronger with every "crisis."
No matter how many disputes, disagreements and conflicts go one between
especially France and the United States, past and present history has
demonstrated that the North Atlantic security community will continue (or
even grow stronger) and that NATO will survive, it always has. The
doomsayers in the global media really must stop making fools of themselves!
What is for certain is that our Alliance will be moving toward a future that
is more political and less raw military alliance. Currently our Alliance is
charged with missions that are out-of -area and training Iraqi police and
military. What else our NATO Alliance will be charged with in the future is
unknown, but it will probably be in counterterrorism/anti-terrorism and
democratization. Also, expect disputes, disagreements and conflicts to occur
in the North Atlantic security community and in NATO. Along with the
"crisis" look for our Alliance and North Atlantic security community to
rise up and become stronger!
*The book cited: Emanuel Adler and Michael Barnett (1998), Security
Communities. Cambridge University Studies: New York, NY.
Yeah, right. Aren't these two guys taking this conclusion from the gay
community?- it grows stronger with every "crisis". Just look around.
Pepa
Jack Stone
2004-09-29 15:51:32 UTC
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You are obviously a real simpleton :-)))))
Post by The NATO Citizen
It's a fine day here in the North Atlantic security community!
By ESLaPorte
Sun, Sep 26 2004
http://www.pronato.com/commentary/index.htm
It was for good and gracious reasons that our Alliance is expanding its
mission in Afghanistan and helping train Iraqi soldiers. Extending the ideal
of security community to other nations is a chore that is best given to our
North Atlantic nations and NATO Alliance.
The elections in Afghanistan this October will probably not be without
incident, but once those oppressed Afghanis, I have a feeling, get a whiff
of free elections, as in Eastern Europe; there will be no turning back. Free
elections will have Afghans addicted to freedom, as it has in Eastern
Europe. It is now unthinkable to Eastern Europeans to be without free
elections.
Our NATO Alliance is humming along despite the doomsayers. Or course, this
Author said it will be alright for our Alliance during the bad times before
the Iraq War. As it has been in past months, years and decades, the North
Atlantic security community pulls our NATO Alliance back from the perceived
near death experience. As stated, there never was any "near death
experience." Yes Ambassador Burns was wrong - and should really know better.
America's ambassador to NATO actually plays into the hands of the doomsayers
in the global media. The notion of a "near death experience for NATO" has
been replayed over and over again in the global media for the past five-plus
decades.
The North Atlantic security community, which includes NATO, is and always
will be strong and will survive. As security community scholars Emanuel
Adler and Michael Barnett (1998)* define "security community," the
defination has nothing to do with arms and armies. A security community is
defined as chiefly a group of people, nations that have become so integrated
to the point that disputes will be settled in a peaceful way. The concept of
security community also includes the common understanding of common values
between members of the community. This also includes the expectation of
peaceful change and that disputes are a part of "transactions," or
interactions, among the members.
The truth is that we all in the North Atlantic security community know that
dispute among its members are to be expected. Adler and Barnett also state
that in security communities disputes, disagreements and conflicts are part
of the dynamics and these should be expected. The difference is that these
disputes are not only expected, but that the prospect of war is never one of
the ways to settle the dispute and the community will continue on after the
dispute has ended.
It has been this Author's observation over the past year and a half that
this is the case with the North Atlantic security community, which has the
majority of its transactions through the NATO HQ in Brussels, that the
Alliance is stronger and more vibrant. In fact, it has been noted by this
Author that our alliance grows stronger with every "crisis."
No matter how many disputes, disagreements and conflicts go one between
especially France and the United States, past and present history has
demonstrated that the North Atlantic security community will continue (or
even grow stronger) and that NATO will survive, it always has. The
doomsayers in the global media really must stop making fools of themselves!
What is for certain is that our Alliance will be moving toward a future that
is more political and less raw military alliance. Currently our Alliance is
charged with missions that are out-of -area and training Iraqi police and
military. What else our NATO Alliance will be charged with in the future is
unknown, but it will probably be in counterterrorism/anti-terrorism and
democratization. Also, expect disputes, disagreements and conflicts to occur
in the North Atlantic security community and in NATO. Along with the
"crisis" look for our Alliance and North Atlantic security community to
rise up and become stronger!
*The book cited: Emanuel Adler and Michael Barnett (1998), Security
Communities. Cambridge University Studies: New York, NY.
kujebak
2004-09-29 20:53:10 UTC
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Aren't France and Germany still part of NATO?
What the hell are you (or the guy you're quoting)
talking about? The reason why France and Germany
aren't involved in Iraq is that they are pandering to
increasingly more powerful socialist (=anti-American)
political currents in those two countries.
Despite all the external events since 9/11, the threat to
NATO is primarily from the inside.
Post by The NATO Citizen
It's a fine day here in the North Atlantic security community!
By ESLaPorte
Sun, Sep 26 2004
http://www.pronato.com/commentary/index.htm
It was for good and gracious reasons that our Alliance is expanding its
mission in Afghanistan and helping train Iraqi soldiers. Extending the ideal
of security community to other nations is a chore that is best given to our
North Atlantic nations and NATO Alliance.
The elections in Afghanistan this October will probably not be without
incident, but once those oppressed Afghanis, I have a feeling, get a whiff
of free elections, as in Eastern Europe; there will be no turning back. Free
elections will have Afghans addicted to freedom, as it has in Eastern
Europe. It is now unthinkable to Eastern Europeans to be without free
elections.
Our NATO Alliance is humming along despite the doomsayers. Or course, this
Author said it will be alright for our Alliance during the bad times before
the Iraq War. As it has been in past months, years and decades, the North
Atlantic security community pulls our NATO Alliance back from the perceived
near death experience. As stated, there never was any "near death
experience." Yes Ambassador Burns was wrong - and should really know better.
America's ambassador to NATO actually plays into the hands of the doomsayers
in the global media. The notion of a "near death experience for NATO" has
been replayed over and over again in the global media for the past five-plus
decades.
The North Atlantic security community, which includes NATO, is and always
will be strong and will survive. As security community scholars Emanuel
Adler and Michael Barnett (1998)* define "security community," the
defination has nothing to do with arms and armies. A security community is
defined as chiefly a group of people, nations that have become so integrated
to the point that disputes will be settled in a peaceful way. The concept of
security community also includes the common understanding of common values
between members of the community. This also includes the expectation of
peaceful change and that disputes are a part of "transactions," or
interactions, among the members.
The truth is that we all in the North Atlantic security community know that
dispute among its members are to be expected. Adler and Barnett also state
that in security communities disputes, disagreements and conflicts are part
of the dynamics and these should be expected. The difference is that these
disputes are not only expected, but that the prospect of war is never one of
the ways to settle the dispute and the community will continue on after the
dispute has ended.
It has been this Author's observation over the past year and a half that
this is the case with the North Atlantic security community, which has the
majority of its transactions through the NATO HQ in Brussels, that the
Alliance is stronger and more vibrant. In fact, it has been noted by this
Author that our alliance grows stronger with every "crisis."
No matter how many disputes, disagreements and conflicts go one between
especially France and the United States, past and present history has
demonstrated that the North Atlantic security community will continue (or
even grow stronger) and that NATO will survive, it always has. The
doomsayers in the global media really must stop making fools of themselves!
What is for certain is that our Alliance will be moving toward a future that
is more political and less raw military alliance. Currently our Alliance is
charged with missions that are out-of -area and training Iraqi police and
military. What else our NATO Alliance will be charged with in the future is
unknown, but it will probably be in counterterrorism/anti-terrorism and
democratization. Also, expect disputes, disagreements and conflicts to occur
in the North Atlantic security community and in NATO. Along with the
"crisis" look for our Alliance and North Atlantic security community to
rise up and become stronger!
*The book cited: Emanuel Adler and Michael Barnett (1998), Security
Communities. Cambridge University Studies: New York, NY.
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